From: Alto Speckhardt To: All Thread: Deny Transmission (1/20) Date: 17-May-97, 1:27am (Ref# 5321) Servus! Is there a possibility to deny the transmission of a fax when it originates at a specific sender? I'd like to have some sort of "blacklist" where I can enter the IDs of senders I don't want to receive a fax from. Could that be included in future versions or is it even already available and I just missed it? The problem is that I apparantly I got myself included in some fax advertising list. Although I do not like this I am not ready to use my money to send them an answer to stop that behaviour. I think if they see that they can't deliver the fax to my system anymore they soon will stop all by themselves. If their system has called mine some times already till then and didn't get a connection - well, isn't this regrettable... RU! (48o18'13''N/10o10'32''E) --- XP - Just say no! * Origin: Weissenhorn Ost (2:2487/4000)
From: Cameron Hall To: Alto Speckhardt Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (2/20) Date: 19-May-97, 8:14am (Ref# 5324) -=> Quoting Alto Speckhardt to All <=- AS> Is there a possibility to deny the transmission of a fax when it AS> originates at a specific sender? I'd like to have some sort of One method would be for B.J. to incorporate that into BGFAX. Another would be if if your line had "call block". The only problem with the call block feature is the limited number of blockable numbers usually available by most Telcos. Hmmmm... Ok gadget designers... Call display box with blocking options... <VBG> See ya, Cameron Hall (Registered BGFAX user) ad121@hwcn.org cameron.hall@bluebeam.gryn.org --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: The Blue Beam,Stoney Creek,Ontario,Canada 905-662-5784 (1:244/120)
From: B.J. Guillot To: Alto Speckhardt Thread: Deny Transmission (3/20) Date: 20-May-97, 3:02pm (Ref# 5343) > Is there a possibility to deny the transmission of a fax when it originates a > a specific sender? I'd like to have some sort of "blacklist" where I can ente > the IDs of senders I don't want to receive a fax from. Could that be included > in future versions or is it even already available and I just missed it? > > The problem is that I apparantly I got myself included in some fax advertisin > list. Although I do not like this I am not ready to use my money to send them > an answer to stop that behaviour. I think if they see that they can't deliver > the fax to my system anymore they soon will stop all by themselves. If their > system has called mine some times already till then and didn't get a connecti No such facility automatically exists in BGFAX. But, with a crafty batch file and use of the DOPRINT/EXEPRINT features, you can automatically delete faxes after they are received. If I were to add something that would automatically hang up on the fax of certain ID's, odds are that they would keep calling back, again and again, trying to deliver their fax. Instead of using DOPRINT/EXEPRINT to print faxes, you can make an EXEPRINT.BAT that will examine the FAX ID's and then delete those you don't like. Regards, bgfax author
From: Matt Weese To: B.J. Guillot Thread: Deny Transmission (4/20) Date: 21-May-97, 2:44pm (Ref# 5344) 20 May 97 15:02, B.J. Guillot wrote to Alto Speckhardt: BG> If I were to add something that would automatically hang up on the fax BG> of certain ID's, odds are that they would keep calling back, again and BG> again, trying to deliver their fax. It's their dollar. I like the idea of a certain ID blocker. I would rather make them mad than let their fax get through with a smirk on thier face. It's not a super-important feature but one worth considering (an easy one to add). --- {Mnemonic Oubliette} --- * Origin: +1 918 455 5806 BBS/FAX, 64000bps, Broken Arrow, OK, 0 (1:170/853)
From: Austin Phelps To: Cameron Hall Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (5/20) Date: 21-May-97, 6:37pm (Ref# 5346) On May 19 08:14 97, Cameron Hall of 1:244/120 wrote: CH> would be if if your line had "call block". The only problem with the CH> call block feature is the limited number of blockable numbers usually CH> available by most Telcos. And it doesn't work with all phone numbers. Austin --- Msgedsq 3.20 * Origin: Lightning Strikes Here II - Orlando, Florida (1:363/263)
From: Alto Speckhardt To: B.J. Guillot Thread: Deny Transmission (6/20) Date: 22-May-97, 4:08am (Ref# 5352) Servus! >> Is there a possibility to deny the transmission of a fax when it >> originates a a specific sender? BG> If I were to add something that would automatically hang up on the fax BG> of certain ID's, odds are that they would keep calling back, again and BG> again, trying to deliver their fax. That's just what I wanted. Only this way they'll recognize that they might as well stop mailing anything to me. If I just delete everything they send me without giving any feedback this will go on for ever. This may sound harsh, but hey - I didn't ask them to send me comercials in the first place! BG> Instead of using DOPRINT/EXEPRINT to print faxes, you can make an BG> EXEPRINT.BAT that will examine the FAX ID's and then delete those you BG> don't like. I think I could handle this, but it wouldn't exactly solve my problem. RU! (48o18'13''N/10o10'32''E) --- XP - Just say no! * Origin: Weissenhorn Ost (2:2487/4000)
From: Cliff Morrison To: Cameron Hall Thread: Deny Transmission (7/20) Date: 20-May-97, 5:40am (Ref# 5359) Hello Cameron! 19 May 97 08:14, Cameron Hall wrote to Alto Speckhardt: CH> available by most Telcos. Hmmmm... Ok gadget designers... Call CH> display box with blocking options... <VBG> Already invented. Contact Art Hunter in Net163 about "SecureCall ID". FYI. Cliff InterNet: Bear@Superaje.com Cliff.Morrison@Bear.Gryn.Org ... For sale: Hourglass for timing Windows. --- BearMail+ TAG 2.7á & OS/2 Warp * Origin: The Bear's Den V34/VFC Tag Beta Site TAGFLIST Home (1:256/101)
From: Richard Town To: Alto Speckhardt Thread: Deny Transmission (8/20) Date: 21-May-97, 8:31am (Ref# 5361) -=> Quoting Alto Speckhardt to All <=- AS> Is there a possibility to deny the transmission of a fax when it AS> originates at a specific sender? I'd like to have some sort of AS> "blacklist" where I can enter the IDs of senders I don't want to AS> receive a fax from. Could that be included in AS> future versions What a good (optional) idea! AS> The problem is that I apparantly I got myself included in some fax AS> advertising list. Although I do not like this I am not ready to use my AS> money to send them an AS> answer to stop that behaviour. Me too. Fax directories: Pah! We also have a varient over here that sends out so-called polls on various nationally topical subjects such as: Should we stay in Europe (Y/n) The fax requests replies to a specific number which costs Sterling1 per minute, min. one minute. Although I've not tried it, the response number only has a 2400 faxmodem on there, I'm told AS> themselves. If their system AS> has called mine some times already till then and didn't get a AS> connection - well, isn't this regrettable... Most unfortunate :) rgdZ Richard --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: Another message via PackLink +44(0)1812972486 (2:254/235)
From: Bill White To: Alto Speckhardt Thread: Deny Transmission (9/20) Date: 25-May-97, 2:27am (Ref# 5363) AS> BG> If I were to add something that would automatically hang up on the fax AS> BG> of certain ID's, odds are that they would keep calling back, again and AS> BG> again, trying to deliver their fax. AS> That's just what I wanted. Only this way they'll recognize that they might as AS> well stop mailing anything to me. If I just delete AS> everything they send me without giving any feedback this AS> will go on for ever. This may sound harsh, but hey - I AS> didn't ask them to send me comercials in the first place! I stopped one local outfit that was faxing me unwanted advertizing every few days. I made a faxcover that said I wasn't interested and to please stop sending me stuff. I said I was returning their "mail" as unwanted. I attached their fax to my cover and sent it. I did this electronically, of course - no paper involved on my end, just on theirs. About a day later I got another ad from them. I sent the ad and cover back twice. A few more days and another, I returned it three times. A week later, another, returned four times. I guess they finally figured out the progression and quit, as I've never heard from them again. *:o) FIDO: Bill White @ 1:135/110 (Miami) InterNet: bill.white@110.sunshine.com * SLMR 2.1a * Windoze: taking "user friendly" the a ridiculous extreme! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Miami Amateur Computer Club BBS/USR Courier V.E (1:135/110)
From: Cameron Hall To: Bill White Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (10/20) Date: 26-May-97, 7:21am (Ref# 5369) -=> Quoting Bill White to Alto Speckhardt <=- BW> sent the ad and cover back twice. A few more days and BW> another, I returned it three times. A week later, BW> another, returned four times. I guess they finally BW> figured out the progression and quit, as I've never BW> heard from them again. *:o) Hmmm... This has possibilities... <EG> As long as BGFAX can correctly grab the fax identifier and log it... Then maybe some very fancy batch programming or a switch like /SEND /REP:10 for repittion=10 times... Hmmmm... <VBG> See ya, Cameron Hall (Registered BGFAX user) ad121@hwcn.org | cameron.hall@bluebeam.gryn.org Blue Beam MailServer | 905 662 5784 | Stoney Creek ON Canada | v34 FAX --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Blue Beam MailServer Stoney Creek, Canada 905-662-5784 (1:244/120)
From: Alto Speckhardt To: Bill White Thread: Deny Transmission (11/20) Date: 27-May-97, 8:42pm (Ref# 5370) Servus! BW> I said I was returning their "mail" as unwanted. [...] I like the idea, yes, but that would mean work and cost on my part, and that's exactly what I'd like to avoid. BW> FIDO: Bill White @ 1:135/110 (Miami) I can't even guess what this fax-return may have cost you, but I am almost certain that it would be much more expensive for me here in Germany. And honestly I am not willing to pay one single Pfennig to stop them doing what I didn't ask them to do. If someone's got to pay, it should be them, and only them. RU! (48o18'13''N/10o10'32''E) --- XP - Just say no! * Origin: Weissenhorn Ost (2:2487/4000)
From: Bill White To: Alto Speckhardt Thread: Deny Transmission (12/20) Date: 30-May-97, 4:39pm (Ref# 5374) AS> I can't even guess what this fax-return may have cost you, but I am AS> almost certain that it would be much more expensive for me here in AS> Germany. And honestly I am not willing to pay one single AS> Pfennig to stop them doing what I didn't ask them to do. If AS> someone's got to pay, it should be them, and only them. I wouldn't pay anything, either. But that particular one was a local phone number, so it cost me nothing. Since it was all electronic, there wasn't even paper involved, for me. FIDO: Bill White @ 1:135/110 (Miami) InterNet: bill.white@110.sunshine.com * SLMR 2.1a * Just hand over the chocolate and no one will get hurt! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Miami Amateur Computer Club BBS/USR Courier V.E (1:135/110)
From: Bill White To: Cameron Hall Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (13/20) Date: 30-May-97, 0:00am (Ref# 5375) CH> Hmmm... This has possibilities... <EG> As long as BGFAX can CH> correctly grab the fax identifier and log it... Then maybe some CH> very fancy batch programming or a switch like /SEND /REP:10 for CH> repittion=10 times... Hmmmm... <VBG> I like that idea. In this case, their fax number was at the top of the first page, so I could easily send it back. Need to watch for an L/D number, tho. FIDO: Bill White @ 1:135/110 (Miami) InterNet: bill.white@110.sunshine.com * SLMR 2.1a * You can keep your word better if you give it less often! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Miami Amateur Computer Club BBS/USR Courier V.E (1:135/110)
From: B.J. Guillot To: Bill White Thread: Deny Transmission (14/20) Date: 31-May-97, 2:27pm (Ref# 5383) > About a day later I got another ad from them. I > sent the ad and cover back twice. A few more days and > another, I returned it three times. A week later, > another, returned four times. I guess they finally > figured out the progression and quit, as I've never > heard from them again. *:o) All you have to do is fax them one sheet of paper that gives the details from US Law that states there is a $500 PER INCIDENT fee that the FCC can levy when people fax you advertisments for stuff when you do not have a prior business relationship with that individual or company. That usually will get you taken off of their list very quickly. If anyone wants me to do a little research and post that section of US Law, I'll do so. Regards, bgfax author
From: B.J. Guillot To: Cameron Hall Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (15/20) Date: 31-May-97, 2:33pm (Ref# 5385) > Hmmm... This has possibilities... <EG> As long as BGFAX can > correctly grab the fax identifier and log it... Then maybe some very > fancy batch programming or a switch like /SEND /REP:10 for repittion=10 > times... Hmmmm... <VBG> This information is set up in the DOPRINT.BAT file. (Take a look). That would make it easy for someone to do a little fancy programming and re-send the fax to the destination of your choice. (There is no such /REP:10 feature, so you'd have to actually cut-and-past the /SEND line for 10 times with a text editor.) Regards, bgfax author
From: T.J. Mcmillen, Jr. To: B.J. Guillot Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (16/20) Date: 01-Jun-97, 12:12am (Ref# 5391) BG> If anyone wants me to do a little research and post that section of US Law, BG> I'll do so. Please do ... that's always handy to keep around. Thanks! --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: The Titantic BBS . - FidoNet - . 1-412-694-9701 (1:2610/33)
From: Bill White To: B.J. Guillot Thread: Deny Transmission (17/20) Date: 01-Jun-97, 1:18pm (Ref# 5397) BG> > About a day later I got another ad from them. I BG> > sent the ad and cover back twice. A few more days and BG> > another, I returned it three times. A week later, BG> > another, returned four times. I guess they finally BG> > figured out the progression and quit, as I've never BG> > heard from them again. *:o) BG> All you have to do is fax them one sheet of paper that gives the details BG> from US Law that states there is a $500 PER INCIDENT fee that the FCC can BG> levy when people fax you advertisments for stuff when you do not have a BG> prior business relationship with that individual or company. BG> That usually will get you taken off of their list very quickly. BG> If anyone wants me to do a little research and post that section of US Law, BG> I'll do so. It'd be nice to have that saved on disk and be able to send 'em when needed. Would appreciate it. I can see why the law was passed: 12-13 years ago I had a friendly businessman who shut his fax machine off at night - if he didn't, the whole roll of paper was printed out with ads and on the floor when he opened in the morning! FIDO: Bill White @ 1:135/110 (Miami) InterNet: bill.white@110.sunshine.com * SLMR 2.1a * Every dog who has his day needs a night out sometimes! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Miami Amateur Computer Club BBS/USR Courier V.E (1:135/110)
From: Cameron Hall To: Bill White Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (18/20) Date: 02-Jun-97, 11:31am (Ref# 5401) -=> Quoting Bill White to Cameron Hall <=- BW> I like that idea. In this case, their fax number BW> was at the top of the first page, so I could easily BW> send it back. Need to watch for an L/D number, tho. It's illegal up here to not identify your fax machine. This could also be true on your side of the boarder also. Hmmm... A thought to B.J. ... Make the "fax identity" a manditory item... if not filled in, BGFAX just quits.. (for sending perposes)... :-) Harder to enforce for reception, as there is a lot of ancient and improperly setup fax machines and software. And add to this the rear-end problem of slow machines/hardware that don't catch the fax identity. This happend with me, on the 386-40, it wasn't fast enough. The 586-133 usually picks it up even within a dos box, but still the odd time it's missed. BGFAX in host mode of course would grab this everytime, assuming no problems. :-) See ya, Cameron Hall (Registered BGFAX user) ad121@hwcn.org | cameron.hall@bluebeam.gryn.org Blue Beam MailServer | 905 662 5784 | Stoney Creek ON Canada | v34 FAX --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Blue Beam MailServer Stoney Creek, Canada 905-662-5784 (1:244/120)
From: B.J. Guillot To: T.J. Mcmillen, Jr. Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (19/20) Date: 19-Jun-97, 1:21pm (Ref# 5415) > BG> If anyone wants me to do a little research and post that section of US La > BG> I'll do so. > > Please do ... that's always handy to keep around. Thanks! I recently found a copy of it, but it is quite long. I might post it to my web page instead of posting it into this echo. I'll keep everyone updated. Regards, bgfax author
From: B.J. Guillot To: Cameron Hall Thread: Re: Deny Transmission (20/20) Date: 19-Jun-97, 1:41pm (Ref# 5419) > A thought to B.J. ... Make the "fax identity" a manditory item... > if not filled in, BGFAX just quits.. (for sending perposes)... :-) In the /SEND mode, if the fax ID (id= in the BGFAX.CNF) is not filled in, I believe BGFAX defaults the ID to "BGFAX 1.70" (or whatever the current version number is). Regards, bgfax author